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    Posted: 01 Dec 2008 at 12:24pm
I'm curious exactly who had the best year in the classic relm. Perhaps we should make a list of players and just have a classic tournament with them. I dunno heh, I thought it'd be kinda fun.
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By classic player, do you mean best player who plays classic or person who's like done the most for the community?

Because if it's the most for the community... there's little question as to who it is :P
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Classic player of the year like they do the pt poty
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I'd probably vote for whiffy penguin, the guy's had great PE results and he won the one Eternal Struggle that was held this year.  He also innovated a few deck types, especially his Trinket Stalker deck which a few people have had success with.
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You should have a BCS ranking of classic players.  Just kidding.  I think it would be cool to do a playoff, kind of like the invitational for all those persistent T8ers, could do a MED1 & 2 Draft, auction of the people, and or a Swiss tournament.  Hey and I bet you CQ admins could rig up some sort of way to vote/host it!
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Damn bcs ranking, Obviously USC should be playing in the title game...

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USC got screwed by OrSU losing so badly vs Penn St (Which was a BS game anyway, they flew crosscountry the night before and got in late, then played first-thing in the morning), and then OhSU losing to Penn St, a strong Big 12, and voters sucking the SEC off (feeling like FL can get in with 1 loss but USC can't).

To be fair though, OSU was probably the weakest loss of all the 1-loss teams, except maybe FL's loss to Miss.  Or Texas' loss to Tech (Maybe).
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Also, I think Whiffy and Snuffy would be my 1 and 2 choices for PoY.  Both have put up great results while championing a deck of their choice, but also scored with other decks.  3rd would be LSV as he's almost always an auto-T8 too. 

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Obviously I support Whiffy but also recently the FatManInALittleCoat Has also performed well taking different decks to the Top8 : Rock and bizaar succcess with enduring ideal.
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Oh definintly.  There are a lot of strong players out there.  Those were just my top 3.  LSV doesn't play in QUITE as many Classic events, but he puts together randomly good decks almost every time, and it's almost always a different deck.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote DRAGONDUNG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2008 at 4:42am
I say we orginize this our selves, for instance:
 
1st gets 24
2nd gets 18
3 & 4 gets 12
5-7 get 8
what ever packs the player wins could be the points.
Lets start it in january and run it to the end of the year.  Be fun and im sure danger could set something up to help keep it public.


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If you do do that, you should get someone to sponsor it, like MTGOtraders or ABUGames so that theres atleast a small incentive/reward for the players, which would be cool.  Also, I would be interested in seeing who would have won the past year, since the archive of T8s should allow us to see whoes won.
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NAME TOP 8'S PACKS
1 ACE OF DRAFTS 2 36 2.10.2008 4TH
2 CONRADKOLOS 2 30 2.17.2008 10TH
3 CAMERON H 2 12 2.24.2008 14th
4 NARASTYLE 1 24
5 FOB 1 18
6 WINSTON SMITH 1 18
7 WEARELEGION 1 18
8 _MAJOR_ 1 12
9 DRAGONDUNG 1 12
10 PROPEPSIS 1 12
11 MIKEMAN29 1 12
12 KAXON 1 12
13 WOJAS 1 6
14 THOOMOR 1 6
15 JOHNATHAN REEVES 1 6
16 WHIFFY PENGUIN 1 6
17 ARTISTX 1 6
18 MORANL 1 6
20 GOOD_GAME 1 6
21 I PLAY RUFF 1 6
22 KSARUS 1 6
that is the last of the data that i have, i never continued the project cause i was in the middle of a divorce.
 
to try to come up with one now would be hard pressed, for instance i have a a few more top 8 put can not remember when i know i had a 2nd, and 4th and a few more.  Same as whiffy, and Ice age had a ton too.  Mikeman comes to mind as someone who won a ton of top 2 spots too.  So it would be too difficult to come up with one player from memory who has consistantly won.  Thats why I say we do it from january.  Maybe heath would be interesting in sponsoring it, hammer if you would like to make it apart of your colum your more than welcome.  If danger is not interested in putting something up for this ill do up a site on my mtgo.mobi domain name.


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If nobody objects I could add this feature to my monthly articles on PUREMTGO.

I write a series "Eternal Wisdom" which already covers data from the Top 8 of each daily/PE event. So it would not be difficult to keep a running tally.  I could keep he table updated and public. Maybe Worth would front a prize for this - Id also be happy to contact him.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote DRAGONDUNG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2008 at 5:10am
good idea hammer see what he says
 
now how does everyone feel it should be scored, i had been doing it by top 8 appearences, using packs as the tie breaker.  But it could easily go the other way.


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Yeah I like your proposals for scoring this. The other tie breaker could be different deck achtypes but that could be a bit subjective and might cause problems.  As I keep track of the decktype also it might not be that hard. It could encourage people to go rogue to win the title towards the end. For example if two players are tided on 23 Top8s but one player has used thresh, necrostorm, grindstone and the other player has used 8 different decks he should win because he is a more diverse player and capable of piloting different decks to the TOP.    I have approached Worth RE prize support but I am not sure this is something he would be interested in because then each format would want this support and it might get silly!
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i will get with you tonight on this hammer if your on.  i get on about 8 pm eastern standard.  Ill catch you in the join/classic and maybe some others will get on to voice live opinions on this.  we may be able to set up a sponsor for this through heath or what not.

 
as for tie breakers that would be a bit subjective,  but as a third it would not be bad.  Now which way do you think better demonstrates a better player more top 8 appearences or more packs.  Personally I think more Top 8's and packs as the tie breaker, followed by decks.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote whiffy penguin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2008 at 5:29am
obv that whiffy character is the best! seriously though  there are a lot of names that i would consider in no order
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lsv
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fatman
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petkos
 
these are the names that strike me as the people in the running for such a title. the only thing is that without acurate data its kinda hard to crown a champ. if we had the data to suport it i wouldnt be surprised to see me or bear up there but we have been playing all year so we have a string of top 8s, however in the last few months fatman, mox, petkos,lsv, and bazar have all made super strong showings so if you went on  the last fewmonths i wouyld say its any of the "newer" players.
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uth if they have the abilaty to give us the top8s maybe they have the abilaty to get acess to most or all of v.3s top 8s so we could go off that too?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote DRAGONDUNG Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Dec 2008 at 5:38am
I say this year is a wash, lets put the next year together where we can have more solid and acurate data.  To say the end of the year was all that matters would be crazy, honestly mikeman won a ton of top 8 from my memory, as well as iceage, and ace of drafts had a string of 1,2, and 4 spots for about a month or two.  So just using data from the last few months would only disrespect those who consistantly won since january of this year.  That list is very acurate for the end of the year though and if i had to choose from it for the last quarter of the year I would be satisfied, however since its a player of the year race i would say we just set up a system for next year and do it right.
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I am with Dragon on this - This year we dont have the data and so is a wash. 
The Race should start with the first PE/Daily Event of 2009 and run through the year. 
And before anyone goes there - We are not doing Clan Of The Year Race just player of the Year.
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I'd be up for running a "tournament of champions".  But I think there are more problems than people realize.
 
The #1 problem is a) getting a time that everyone on the list can attend.  It's not possible.
the #1a problem is that there are already 2 classic tournies on the weekend.  This would essentially be the 3rd.
 
Then there are all the other problems of sponsorship etc...
 
I think you'd all have much easier time of this, at this point, to try and convince WoTC to run this tournament. It may not happen as fast as you'd like, but I think this is the kind of thing that really fits into the top tier of their tournament structure.
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so a couple of thoughts ive had on this as i reread the thread.
1.)  the point structure.
Top 8= 1
Top 4= 2
Top 2 = 3
Possible Tie breakers
Player A's amount of points with thresh vs Player b's amount of points with thresh and so on and so on for each corresponding deck that both players used. If there is a need for further tie breaking the player with more distinct* arch types would win out.
 
A note on distinct, while R thresh and W thresh are different distinct decks( using a different 3rd color,  different removal, and different sbs) uwrg thresh would not count as a distinct difference from ither 3 color thresh as it just switches 5-6 cards while remaining the same deck and main colors.
 
what do you guys think , i think it would single out the best player in the format and if there are multiples  the tie breaking system should show who is the most well rounded and has the best grasp on the entire format.
 
2.) tourny for champions.
Great idea,  the two time slot thing could be worked out in a Three tourny system
 
prelim tourny 1 is on a saturday afternoon 3-5 pm est time. all players may sign up for this tourny. The top 8 will be invited to the championship tourny the following week at a tbd time.
 
prelim tourny 2 is on a sunday at 3-5 est time. only players who did not sign up for prelim 1 may enter this tourny. the top 8 will be invited to the championshiptourny the following week at a tbd time.
 
Champions tourny invite only. the top 16 players will face off some nvr playing each other before in a pe style setting as they live in completely diff timezones and cant play 1 or the other pes. # of rounds would have to be determined i would suggest 4 with a cut to top 4 buts thats just me.
 
So i think that would be an awsome ness that will cave to almost all players. splitting it over a two week or possibly three week tourny structure would give it the feel of a gp, or pt i feel as it spreads the tourny over more then just 1 pe. Also given the proper info i would be willing to run one of these things and im sure that we could find others to host.
 
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What about a Champions League ??
Player run: Let me explain: 
At the end of the Year the Top8 fight it out for player of the Year. Players are paired 1st V 8th :  Games are run in TP when the Two players are free.  You have to play 7 Matches against the other runners.   Tie breaker for championship comes down to the result between the two players.   
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A ToC format should inevitably be a interesting type of event, but like the BCS, would be greatly flawed.
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